When Drugs Go Digital

Just when you think you’ve seen and heard it all …

I read a story on the Huffington Post yesterday about teenagers getting a high off “digital drugs.” They call it i-Dosing. Here’s how it works: i-Dosers lay motionless with headphones on while listening to binaural sound clips from YouTube for 10-minute periods. This equates to a type of sensory deprivation experienced with other drugs like ecstasy or LSD.

From Wired.com:

“Those who want to get addicted to the “drugs” can purchase tracks that will purportedly bring about the same effects of marijuana, cocaine, opium and peyote. While street drugs rarely come with instruction manuals, potential digital drug users are advised to buy a 40-page guide so that they learn how to properly get high on MP3s.”

Don’t get me wrong — I’m good for a night of boozing now and then, but drugs have never been my thing. I’ve got a healthy fear of consequence, both physical and legal. (Christ, I rarely exceed the speed limit.) While there may not be a chemical element involved, you can’t tell me any of this looks healthy:

The fear is iDosing will act as a gateway drug; the same willingness to experiment with digital drugs could compel kids to try harder drugs with actual physical consequences. I get that. It’s probably no coincidence iDosing terrifies me just as any other drugs does. I’m a prude like that. But if you’re a 15-year-old who gives this a try and it turns out to be sort of fun, what’s to stop you from trying marijuana? Nitrous? Cocaine? Heroin?

These are practical concerns.

For you more adventurous types, I’d love to feature a guest post on what iDosing is all about. This seems to be the clip the kiddies are into. If you’re willing, give it a run and let me know how it goes.

I think I’ll pass.

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185 thoughts on “When Drugs Go Digital

  1. Wow. I’m familiar with binauaral beats to alter one’s brainwaves (reaching Alpha or Gamma), but this seems a bit strange. Even the demonic picture is a little off. I find it odd that people would voluntarily subject themselves to this kind of mental ‘stress.’

    With Love and Gratitude,

    The Intentional Sage

      • That did nothing for me… Would have rather listened to stars of the lid or something instead for 10minutes. Getting high off of a note or two? Rubbish.

      • The theory behind binaural beats is that frequencies not usually perceptible to human hearing (due to the natural limits of our ears), can be reproduced in the mind by playing to each ear a different perceptible sounds. The two sounds interfere with each other to produce an otherwise inaudible beat.

        It has been hypothesised that this effect can be used to entrain the brain to enter different states of attention, by replicating (and then by guiding) the electromagnetic activity observed in various EEG patterns. Thus a recording might begin with binary beat of about 25Hz, which replicates the beta waves observed during wakeful attention, slowly sink below 12Hz, replicating alpha waves observed during conscious relaxation and then go down below 4Hz, replicating delta waves seens in slow-wave sleep.

        The idea is that mimicking the state of the listener and then gradually moving into patterns of greater relaxation, will cause the listener’s brain to follow the changes and this change the state of consciousness. Whether this really happens with all, most or any listeners, whether it is merely suggestion or based on a listener gradually relaxing (which after all we can do without binaural beats), is AFAIK an open question.

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  2. I recently heard about kids putting drops of alcohol directly in their eyes for an instant drunk… but this is just bizarre!

    • I heard (could be an urban legend) that someone had to be sent to the hospital because they dipped a tampon and…well you know.

      Also people put drugs up their butt. It’s called boofing.

      • Dipped the tampon in alcohol, forgot to add that. Kind of a key word in there, otherwise it doesn’t make sense and I look like an idiot. So ya, someone dipped a tampon in booze and then put it up their….I think it’s called “Paint-Sticking.” It’s really big in New Jersey I believe.

  3. That seems messed up to me. Then again, I don’t take drugs (illicit drugs anyway lol), I don’t even drink.

  4. I wonder, is this simply a form of self hypnosis? If it is, then it will have its own problems if not used properly. Hypnosis can have some wonderfu, positive effects, but like any other tool, it can be used to do good or not so good…

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  6. I’ve heard about listening music which make your brain cime in alpha-resonance. is the same mechanism did in this i-dosing? well,i just a little bit remembered what i’ve studied in my pharmacy’s college..

  7. Buying Mp3’s and a 40-page guide? Sounds like someone trying to make some cash. I’m skeptical.

    I doubt there will be much psychology to back this. It’s just like stories about the Ouija Board. Anyone can allow themselves to believe it works, so they’ll do anything to make it happen.

    I would guess there are TONS of kids who could report “failed attempts” at iDosing because they haven’t falling victim to the psychological shift it would take to actually react to these sounds. On the same note, everyone knew someone in high school that would swear they felt something, and fake the sensation to prove it.

    This ranks right up there with the idiot kids who crap in bottles and inhale the fumes to get high.

  8. “But if you’re a 15-year-old who gives this a try and it turns out to be sort of fun, what’s to stop you from trying marijuana? Nitrous? Cocaine? Heroin?”

    The whole gateway drug theory is ridiculous. I find it odd that one drug should be banned to prevent the possibility that said drug MAY induce an interest in other, more dangerous drugs in the user, but not other mainstream legal drugs. By this logic why isn’t alcohol banned? Why isn’t nyquil banned? Why not pain killers? If you’re the kind of person that has a predisposition to substance abuse, you’re the kind of person who is going to abuse whatever is readily available. Yes it may start out with this idosing and eventually lead to crack. But said crackhead would have found something to start off with regardless. Trying to ban Idosing, marijuana, or any other drug simply because it’s a “gateway drug” is completely illogical unless you’re also a proponent of banning everything that alters your mind in any way shape or form.

  9. I had just recently heard about this iDoping.
    I agree that it could easily be a gateway drug, especially if there are sounds that can simulate coke, or heroin. And if the sounds do not make the experience unenjoyable for the user, what is to stop them from trying the real thing? It could be used as a test drug, to see if the real drug would appeal to them.

    • If it is a gateway drug I’ll take it – anything that makes it easier for me to get my key in the front door after a night out is a bonus!

    • Hmm, I disagree with your basic logic there.

      I understand and agree that this could be a gateway drug ( assuming it works ) but I don’t think that a person finding “cocaine” tracks unpleasant would prompt them to go out and try cocaine.

      That seems a little similar to saying that if a person tries jogging and hates it they’ll then go out and try a marathon, just to see if it’s better. Not the soundest reasoning I’ve ever seen.

      I’m about to try this out, I’ll tell you if it works.

      • What a ridiculous comment! I cant believe you compared jogging/Idozzing with Marathon/DRUGS. Yeah, go ahead and try the I dozzing to see if helps you to not right such things anymore..rsrs..
        Anyway, I dozzing is definetely a Gateway to real world of drugs. I used to be addicted and Anything that gives you a tryout without getting into any trouble in this world, is definetely a gateway. Guys common, a 15 years old kid, trying this I dozzer (coke flavour), tell his friends about it, nobody knows whats like trying the real coke. If they like the sound so much, what are they going to do?
        WOW, lets buy it just once to see if its the same. Hey, lets try I dozzing with real coke to see whats like!!! You people either are trying to be dumb as hell or you really whant to try it sometime.
        Go ahead an kill yourselves! Good luck!!

  10. I reminds me of an episode of “The Outer Limits” where the teens of a community become “hooked” on a sound downloaded from outer space. Oddly enough everything turns out for the best.

  11. I honestly think that if the effects were as bad or anywhere near the effects of common illicit drugs, this would have been a big deal quite some time ago and not some recent big trend. Binaural beats have been studied for years and years, and they stimulate the brain in subtle ways. Sure, you can probably get an out of body experience from them with the right amount of imagination, but I highly doubt that it’s anything the brain cannot already do itself be it through meditating, going in between wakefulness and sleep, and more.

  12. There’s not much else to I/E-dosing than the power of suggestion and sensory deprivation. At most it’s like a mind-altering drug in the same sense that meditation is, or even trance music. If you haven’t heard of the Ganzfeld effect I suggest you look it up… it’s a bit more advanced than E-dosing but with a bit more chance of getting at least *some* effects. Other than that I’m convinced it’s just placebo and scam.

  13. You know, I heard about this a couple years ago, even going so far as to purchase a couple tracks (because at the time they were not widely available). Having seen both sides of the tracks, I’ll say that it does work, but it’s not as effective as real drugs. You are correct in your assumption though that it will lead to more chemically altering substances. It’s not my place to say if this is good or bad, but as a recreational user myself, I’d only give the advice of all things in moderation.

  14. This is an interesting post. I found that it was informative and that you made several good points.

    • LOL – that’s dryer than Ghandi’s flip flop’s jabber nice one!

      I’m sure if you’ve been intensely listening to nice mellow tones for 10 minutes and then, all of a sudden, it warped into louder and more sinister sounding tones, it could seriously freak you out for a short while.

      As for being a gateway drug, if they’re prepared to try this, then they’re either already users or seriously considering drugs or alcohol anyway; it’s looks like just another tool for the inebriac.

      The Aboriginal didgeridoo is one instrument that I’m sure has mind warping properties too, tribal folk have been tripping out to monotonous tones for 1000’s of years.

      Just imagine what could be achieved if you carefully crafted tones with visual stimulus too, I’m sure the experience would temporarily warp the mind. It’s nothing new though…MC Hammer was doing this years ago!

      Respect and Peace!
      @dam

      PS Nice Blog and awesome post Andrew!

  15. Interesting. I wonder if it really works? The Alpha waves have been proven for years to work so maybe there is some merit to it…kind of disturbing, then…if there is no damage maybe better than drugs, but will it cause a bunch of addicted zombies who don’t want to do anything but get that high…

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  16. I’m with you Miller, drugs scare me and the further people take themselves for that “high”, the less I want to try it. My opinion is that drugs (whether tangible or digital) are a way to run away from one’s problems versus dealing with reality head-on.
    Looks like iDosing is just another waste of time and money.

  17. Seems that kids (some kids) are always looking for ways to alter their mind. For me, the altered state of mind was a relief from what was normally raging through my head, confusing my mind. I ended up as an addict late in life. It’s been a tough road to recovery. I pray this is NOT a gateway drug!

  18. Ugh. The kids in those videos look miserable. I don’t understand the point of drugs. I wish I could understand things like this and why people are attracted to them. They make no sense to me.

  19. Well, I’m certainly glad I ran across this writing; however, I’m kind of in shock, I don’t know why…I shouldn’t be surprised by anything anymore, but I was completely in jaw-drop mode for a few minutes trying to read this blog. ….And scared….I’m certainly not going to listen to any of these clips; it’s scary in itself to just think of the mindset that one must be in in order to try this i-Dosing thing out. The information that I gathered from this blog here is still good to know….very good to know.

    I’m not buying into this “gateway drug” thing either. If an individual is going to use drugs, they are going to use them regardless. I mean, there are certain factors as to why a person starts to use drugs in the first place, such as escapism(trying to escape pain or bad feelings), having a very bad/abusive childhood, having a parent or someone in their household who abuses drugs(including outside influences like “friends”), low self esteem, etc.; if these factors are there, the individual will most likely use drugs regardless of whether they start out by FIRST trying marijuana, robo-ing/robotripping, taking large doses of plain ol’ acetaminophen(OTC pain relievers), getting into a parent’s liquor cabinet or i-Dosing; if the factors such as I just described are NOT there, an individual most likely will NOT do any drugs period. *(Please note: with what I said above regarding risk factors of drug use, I do realize that there are exceptions to every rule, and that there is rarely such a thing as “Always” or “Never”*). That old and cliched saying of, “If there is a will, there is a way”, is popular and spoken often for a reason…..because it’s true; unfortunately, this quote that is almost always ONLY associated with things positive, such as when trying to encourage someone into success, etc. also stands true for the potential drug user/addict. ~God bless!~

  20. The problem with these “i-drugs” is that these young people will then be more amenable to hypnotism and mind control. They will see it as acceptable that an outside party is allowed to tinker with their mind…although…if a weight loss “e-drug” presents itself let me know. At least it’s not a psych pill.

  21. As an experienced former drug-user this kind of thing is interesting to me. I clicked the link to the track titled “Gates of Hades” and followed the instructions: I put on headphones, lay down on my bed beneath a blanket flat on my back with my eyes closed, and tried to focus in on the “song.” This was made hard by my thought process, which is a constant distraction for many of us when we try to focus on something like this, and the song was actually pretty frightening at one point because I was in a state of calm and the volume spiked sharply about a couple minutes in.

    By the end of the song I did not feel “high” although I did feel different. My body felt more distant from myself as usual, as though I were having a mild dissociative experience (which can be induced by a plethora of traditional drugs). I was able to observe my breathing without my mind taking control over it, ask though I had been meditating for a long amount of time. All this, however, has been induced in me before by listening to other ambient or tranquil music, music that was not intended to be a drug. Likewise, similar effects have been brought about by meditation.

    This whole issue raises a couple of interesting questions for me: First, isn’t the purpose of a song–any song–to get you high? We listen to music to enjoy it, to set our life against a backdrop of a particular feeling. People listening to happy music often become happier, people listening to angry music might become angrier, and so on. The only difference I find between the song linked to here and some experimental ambient/noise music projects is that the intention is to get you high in the way that a drug will. I wonder what would have happened if The Beatles had said the intention of their music is to get their listeners high–because their music does tend to change my mood and way of perceiving, if I want it to.

    Another question I have: If this music is considered a gateway “drug” and should be feared as such, then what does this mean for meditation practices? Many forms of meditation from many different religions and other spiritual traditions–Buddhism, Yoga, Taoism, even Christian prayer–can and do produce effects similar to taking drugs that get you “high” or make you “calm” or expand your sensory experience and consciousness in the way psychedelics like LSD and mushrooms and mescaline are notorious for. By calling a non-drug like music a gateway drug it seems as though this opens up the door for warning children and preventing children from experimenting with other ways of altering their state of consciousness–could meditative practices be next? This is, of course, can be seen as a slippery-slop fallacy but so is the whole idea of a “gateway drug” anyway so I don’t feel bad about raising the issue.

    If parents are truly worried about their kids using drugs then perhaps they should take a look in their own refrigerators and tea drawers and medicine cabinets and see what they’re already putting into their kids for purposes of altering their state of mind rather than for nutritional reasons: is there any good reason to drink coffee or a soda or an energy drink besides to get a stimulating high which is completely analogous to sniffing a line of cocaine or smoking up some crystals of methamphetamine? Do not many of us drink tea to calm ourselves down? Those are just a few obvious examples, but when you think about it, everybody’s life really revolves around changing the chemical composition of one’s brain so that the experience made available to our consciousness is a pleasing one–even by reading wordpress blogs are you are introducing an experience to your life that you enjoy and thereby stimulating yourself with the ideas of others, making yourself happier, more satisfied than you would be otherwise. Is wordpress a gateway drug? Obviously not. My point is that the difference between a “drug” and “everything else” is culturally constructed. We call certain drugs food and we refuse to call anything a drug if the “high” it brings about is a socially accepted state of behavior.

    I’m not sure what conclusions I can make about this whole i-dosing business although I’d rather my kid listen to trippy music than be a heroin addict. There’s a big difference between cruising the internet all day and getting high in your bedroom and actually going out there and making the social connections necessary to score illegal drugs. A lot of kids will be glad to click a youtube link but only a relatively small percentage of them are going to have it in them to go get a bag of grass (unless they live in California). And of those kids who are inspired to smoke weed because of digital drugs, only so many of them will make it a habit, and only a small percentage of them are going to graduate to harder drugs, and even fewer of them will make those harder drugs a habit. So at the end of the day the situation at hand is that kids are getting high and some of them are getting too high too often and destroying their lives (by the standards of mainstream culture). And this is news?

    If parents want to be intelligently concerned about their children a balance of respect is necessary. The answer to the drug problem is not to squawk and panic about “gateway drugs” that aren’t even drugs but to give our kids precise, sane, and unbiased data on how drugs work and what they do to you both physiologically and socially. It’s clear to me from many of the replies to this blog entry that a lot of readers do not know much about what different kinds of drugs will do to you. Even the Wired.com article says that i-dosing can bring about effects similar to “marijuana, cocaine, opium and peyote.” This says nothing whatsoever. Marijuana and peyote alter the condition of one’s awareness in distinctly different ways. Peyote involves intense vision quests and hallucinations which can be called “severe delusions” and the effects can last for hours, days. Cocaine briefly stimulates the central nervous system, whereas opium and other opiates/opiods like heroin, vicodin, oxycontin, etc. depress the central nervous system over longer periods of time. All of these drugs are capable of producing euphoria but by extremely different means and in very different shades. All that I take from Wired’s statement is that whoever said that the effects of i-dosing are similar to these vastly different drugs doesn’t know what they’re talking about: just one more prime example of the lack of drug education we have in our country.

    • …Very good comment *storyofbean* ; I enjoyed reading it and it made a lot of sense and had a lot of truth in it. Concerning the ‘Wired.com’ article where it says something like i-Dosing can bring about similar effects of drugs such as cocaine, peyote, marijuana, opiates, etc., I took that to mean that the effects that one would feel would depend on which i-Dosing tune you listened to…..like, I was thinking that if someone wanted a “wired”, stimulant-type high, they would have to choose a certain tune for that specific feeling, and if that person’s buddy wanted a laid back, euphoric opiate-type high, he/she would have to listen to a different tune that would only produce that particular feeling….am I making sense? Now, again, this is just the way I took it personally, I could be totally & completely wrong and probably am because I don’t know much, if anything, about this i-Dosing.

      I am pleased that you wrote about your experience; I had been wanting to read someones first-hand account on this subject(*although, your i-Dosing tune of choice, “Gates of Hades”, interests/scares me….were you not scared?*). And your point about music in general changing people’s mood, you are so right; I can’t believe that I, and so many others here, didn’t think of that earlier, lol! I mean, I know that if I am in a sad mood and wish to wallow in my self pity for just a little while, I will play a “woe-is-me” song; however, if I am sad and wish to “get over it” and feel better, I will play a happy tune with a fast beat and a positive message(*this always does the trick, or at the least….helps*). I believe we all do that. How many times do we go into a bar late at night to see a lonely, depressed, drunken man stumble to the juke-box to play a ‘George Jones’ hit, or how many times when driving home in a bad mood and all of a sudden we hear our favorite song come on the radio, ever notice how things start to become a whole lot sunnier? So, you do have such a valid point there!

      Can we even consider i-Dosing as a drug? There are many definitions of the word “drug”, with a very *common* one being…..”Any substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function”. Can we really count music as a substance that is absorbed into the body? Because to me, when I hear “absorbed into the body”, I think of something that is being ingested into and through my stomach & bloodstrteam, etc(but then again, I’m not a brainiac). Another *common* definition is….”A chemical substance used in the treatment, cure, prevention, or diagnosis of disease or used to otherwise enhance physical or mental well-being”. If I recall correctly, there are also a lot of *foods* that can alter one’s mental state; but, I DO know for a fact that some foods, when mixed with certain drugs, can cause unpleasant interactions with each other, ranging from mild to fatal. However, with the vast number of definitions for this word(“drug”), I’m sure that somehow i-Dosing could be classified as such. All this “definiton” talk is rather a moot & silly point anyway, but then again so is the argument that i-Dosing is a “gateway drug”…..in my humble opinion of course. ~~Stay Unstressed & ~~God Bless!~~

    • I liked a lot of your points. As a parent, I limit the time my kids spend on any of their electronic gadgets, and I censor anything I feel is inappropriate. I’m not their friend – I’m their mother.

    • I was going to post a reply expressing similar thoughts, but then you said it all and very well. I agree, particularly with “when you think about it, everybody’s life really revolves around changing the chemical composition of one’s brain so that the experience made available to our consciousness is a pleasing one“.

      By the end of the song I did not feel “high” although I did feel different. My body felt more distant from myself as usual, as though I were having a mild dissociative experience (which can be induced by a plethora of traditional drugs)?

      Reminds me of the film Altered States.

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  23. ok seriously, how gullible are you people?

    Tell a kid to smoke some oregano but tell him it’s weed and then watch him get “high”. Tell him you’re giving her a beer, but not that it’s a non-alcoholic one, and watch her get “drunk. Tell some kid they can get high listening to sound waves, and watch what will happen…

    I’ve had experiences with drugs, and with drinking, and i just listened to the recording. It was relaxing (in an irritable way, if that makes sense) but i did not get high, nor did i want to go out and try cocaine for the first time.

    This is NOT a gateway drug, but way to advertise it regardless! Nothing like telling kids how to GET high so they wont…?

  24. This post is ridiculous on two levels: 1) It’s basically recycled information from a Huffington Post article, which is, in turn, regurgitated from 3 news sources who did actual reporting on the subject – this is “journalism” at least thrice removed; 2) Sounding the “gateway drug alarm” is about as fresh a perspective as “Reefer Madness” type propaganda films from the 1950’s.

    Now, a word on teenagers and drugs (or “drugs,” as may be the case with this i-dosing nonsense): have your kids ever watched you drink and enjoy yourself? Uh oh. You just opened up a gateway to substance abuse! Humans have been scouring the earth for ways to alter their consciousness since time immemorial. Substance abuse is usually the result of some larger, underlying psychological issue (in the case of teenagers, problems at home are usually the primary source), not simply exposure to drugs. The naivety expressed in this post and echoed by many of the comments is as dangerous as drugs themselves. Be realistic. Talk to your kids, and take a good look at yourselves while you’re at it.

    • I agree completely. This is a non-story and more evidence on H-P sinking into tabloid territory. Firstly, of COURSE music has a physiological effect on the brain. Does that mean it is a drug? Of course not.

      And who took those ridiculous photos that accompany this and every other absurd, pointless article covering this “story”? I imagine it consisted of some amateur photographer telling a random teenager to make a grimacing face with a pair of headphones on. Sad, sad journalism.

      • I understand that, but the extent of your commentary seems to be that you are terrified of drugs, and that you generally agree with the “gateway drug” theory that is touched on in the HuffPo article. Listen, I’m not trying to put you down, I just don’t understand how your post works to expand our understanding of the story, the way the story is reported, or offer a fresh perspective on the subject at hand. There are much more expansive insights in the comments section than in the post itself, yet you’ve only offered brief, defensive responses to posts that say anything besides “Yeah, that’s scary, and probably addictive!” Debate is healthy.

      • Uh…oldmansenechal. He just said he’s not reporting on the story, merely commenting. He doesn’t need to expand the readers understanding of the story.

        It’s not like he’s a journalist with the NY Times and you paid to read his article. This is a free blog on wordpress.

    • I understood 100% what I was reading from Andrew Miller. I never saw anywhere where he claimed to be a journalist, or implied that he was reporting a news story. I did, however, see him cite sources….for example, he writes….”I read a story on the Huffington Post yesterday” and I saw him give credit to a comment that wasn’t his by typing this above said quote- “From: Wired.com”. So, I ‘got’ that this was a blog/*opinion offering* and not an “Associated Press” article, which was fine with me; I got what I was expecting….actually better(Way to go Andrew- 5 stars*****). I post blogs here too and I certainly hope that folks aren’t expecting to see any Geraldo-like, or first hand, eye-witness accounts of popular news stories that happened eleventy million miles away from me; I hope they expect, being on ‘WordPress’ and all….blogs.

      Andrew Miller offered me information that I would NOT have heard about if his blog had not been featured on the front page of “WordPress.com”(as a matter of fact, I do believe that I thanked him for posting this info in the first comment I made here). And if I wanted to learn more about the subject at hand, I was provided with at least 2 places to acquire some more information from…..plus, I know how to use the “Google” :)

      Furthermore, if it DOES seem to any readers that Andrew Miller believes that i-Dosing IS a “gateway drug”; so what? That is his opinion which he is entitled to…..heck, it’s even HIS blog! I myself do not believe that i-Dosing is a “gateway drug”, just as I stated in my earlier comments, but I did not have to “call Mr. Miller out’ on his personal opinion on HIS very OWN blog…Goodness, that blows my mind, lol :)! This is Mr. Miller’s blog and he can write what he wants to. And it sure seems like he is doing something right; he is featured on the front page of this site and he is getting comments galore; plus, he’s starting to get attacked & I can assure you that when someone starts being attacked, they are doing something right and should be proud of themselves!

      If I we’re looking to further my understanding of i-Dosing and get an in depth analysis of if, I wouldn’t come to WordPress for it; so, perhaps if one is looking to further their understanding, they could start by using any search engine and look for the links that seem to be affiliated with doctors, addiction specialists, etc.

      In closing, I think Mr. Miller made it perfectly clear what his intentions were for his blog when he wrote this…..”For you more adventurous types, I’d love to feature a guest post on what iDosing is all about. This seems to be the clip the kiddies are into. If you’re willing, give it a run and let me know how it goes.” It is my belief that his goal in writing this was to draw attention to i-Dosing(*which worked*), to provide sources for those who wanted more info on the subject, to basically share his feelings on the topic(*isn’t that what blogging is for?*), to gather other people’s thoughts/opinions/experiences with i-Dosing and he added the videos not only to provide more info/knowledge, but also for entertainment purposes. ~~Stay Unstressed & ~~God Bless!~~

  25. The whole thing is too ridiculous for words. The “song” is annoying and can only make you press “stop” after 30 seconds. Kids really have nothing to do these days when they buy into this cheap propaganda. Don’t know how much these “tunes” cost, kids should rather consider buying a good pocket book read or healthy piece of fruit…

  26. A few years ago in my local town of Totnes (hippy town in south west of England) I did see three Buddhist monks sitting in a laundromat humming to the resonant sound of the tumble dryers. But frankly this is the work of dark overlord Steve Jobs, who wants to enslave us all with his new iSoma which is next year’s big thing!

  27. This is probably some of the funniest hysteria / nonsense I have seen in a long time. It’s time to put your fears away – this is complete bull.

  28. THIS SENT SHIVERS DOWN MY SPINE!
    Just watching the boy in the first video writhe made me wriggle.
    Which dickhead came up with this?
    Idiots.

  29. Ohh the effects of the cyber drug..
    I feel strange, I NEED MORE.

    I have virtual munchies got
    to look at some pics of food.

    A recent Harvard review
    said 93 % of heroin users
    started on mothers milk.

    This is in deed a gate way
    drug to other cyber drugs.

    From the posts here I can tell
    you see the dangers.

    Congress should investigate.
    We need to get infront of this
    thing, we need cyber cops to
    track down the dealers of these
    cyber drugs.

    G

  30. I-Doser and all “Music Drug” equivalents are complete BS. They do not work like any drug they say they do. The only things I could imagine these things could do are put you into an altered state of mind through trance or somehow get you to think you’re high via the placebo effect. People do that when they “think” they’re drunk or high all the time.

    This is nothing… and it’s been out for a long time. Even if there was a bunch of audio drugs, they wouldn’t have been discovered by some company selling the “product” on the internet. They just threw a bunch of frequencies together, told people it would get them high, and had them pay for it.

    This is not internet drugs. This is internet snake oils…

  31. This is as stupid as the scare about subliminal messages in songs making kids kill themselves or worship Satan or whatever. It’s all BS anyways, just another stupid thing for the media to scare idiotic parents with.

  32. All of the kids in these videos are IDosing off a track called the “The Gate Of Hades”. It’s advertised to make one experience extreme fear and terror. Why someone would want do this, I have no idea. However, this particular company makes different tracks, ranging from multiple types of drugs to multiple orgasms. (I know, crazy right?)

    You can actually download a free “dose.” I tried the one called Alcohol, which was supposed to make me drunk. Of course it didn’t.

    Of course, white noise (or pink noise) can mess with your brain waves a little, just like a lot of other things out there. But I’m convinced that IDosing will NEVER come near the experience of a chemical drug.

    I seriously doubt this will be a gateway to illegal drugs. IDosing is too mellow and non-habitual, so a normal kid probably won’t make the jump from something legal and safe, to very illegal and dangerous. And if they do, it probably won’t be from the IDosing.

  33. As someone who has tried a whole slew of real drugs AND experimented with the i-Doser, there are a few things I want to say. First of all, i-Doser works. It messes you up. Second, it DOESN’T give you the sensations the drugs that it’s supposed to emulate do.

    The fact is, though, that everything anyone does will alter them. There’s a whole category of alterations that we as a society have deemed contraband, but that’s a facet of a whole big wider dilemma. The philosophical ramifications of getting screwed up have long been discussed, but the fact is that, in the end, the individual has the right to experiment with their own states of being.

    As to the effiicacy of i-Doser, like all forms of hypnosis, it DOES require a level receptivity. If you actively fight against the experience, it won’t come. You do have to relax into the noise in order to experience the sensations.

    As to why people would do this… it’s because trying new things is INTERESTING. If we don’t embrace the unknown and explore new things we become close-minded and reactionary. This is not psychologically healthy.

    Also, the fact remains that most drugs are a lot less physically bad for you than a Big Mac.

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  34. I tried I doser a couple years ago. It has been around for a while now. I didn’t have very good head phones, and wasn’t really in the correct state of mind for the experience, so it didn’t work much for me though I did feel a bit strange. The thing is you don’t have to take ones that the kids in the video are taking. They have ones for simple things like weed or alcohol. I personally wouldn’t try the harder ones, but I can see why people might. You can try certain drugs without getting physically addicted. I know there could still be a possibility of mental addiction, but that seems somewhat slight to me. The reason I think this will never take off like real drugs do is that a lot of drugs are wrapped up in social situations, and that’s usually how people start on drugs. People pass the drugs around parties, but a party of everyone laying around with headphones does not sound like a fun party.

  35. Something that has long fascinated me is that bans of or lack of availability to drugs drive teenagers to try absurd or even dangerous substitutes—which then causes calls of “Look have terrible drugs are! We must tighten the bans to protect our children!” (or similar).

    Now, I am not saying that we should legalize drugs (my opinion is split on the topic, will vary depending on the drug, and need not be the same for teenagers and adults), but I am saying that anti-drug hysteria does more harm than good. Further, as with many other fields, that there are too many opinions and policies that are formed based on emotional reactions, rather than clear-headed rational thought.

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  37. I listened to the entire track. No effect. At all. I’m even listening to another one right now. It’s annoying at best. I’m inclined to agree with some of the posters here that this is mostly scam, partly self-delusion. If people go into listening to this with the preconception and mentally ready to be affected by it, they will be. Analogous to someone drinking to get drunk and showing the effects (through psychologically being primed to get drunk) long before any real physiological effects are evident.

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  39. I read the same NPR thing and heard it as well… I-Dosing doesn’t work as an actual drug stimulant.

  40. Ya this is kinda weird. Not sure if it really works or not. I’m not going to be the one to try it and say yes or no. After watching the video it persuaded me away from it. If this is really true, then someone should look into it more. But someone should also look into all of the other drugs as well. Along with the abuse of alcohol, prescription drugs, and even drugs sold off the shelf like cough syrup, etc. So yes this could be a big deal, but it will take time to do something about it. There is a lot of work to be done to even start on trying to control drug use.

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  41. I think the people who wrote that article are adults who like country
    Look, you seriously believe that? It’s the music that’s addictive. Not the sensory loss, not the volume, we just like the music (not saying I do this)
    See it’s like this: one person can listen to a clip, but what if he’s listening to a lyric video and likes the music? Hell it could be Owl City! But does that exactly mean the kid will be hooked on drugs? No! If it is then everyone with Internet does this! Don’t tell me you haven’t listened to a song on YouTube ever.
    Besides if anything is getting at kids to try drugs it’s adult shows and movies. Those videos were probably published under attracting titles, in order to get hits. Then people only see kids listening to music.
    Look my friends get “high” off of sugar. That doesn’t mean we’re actually high! It means we’re acting crazy like we’re high.
    The only thing “i-dosing” could actually cause would be minor hearing loss, and even that is extremely thin a chance.

  42. This is the biggest internet hoax of the year perpetrated by teenagers on their summer break. Watch for that 1:37 mark in the Gate of Hades YouTube Video. You’ll understand the sudden reactions in the I-Doser videos. The worse part of this meme is that sites such as I-Doser are leveraging the craze by selling other legal drugs.

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  44. i-Doser only works on like 20 % of the worlds population due to the fact that it’s mostly a placebo.

    Also the mainstream news media has blown this out off proportion like they always do.
    i-Doser is not a gateway drug, I think kids are smart enough to know the difference between real drugs and some noise that comes out off some headphones and if they aren’t then maybe they are doing us a favor by taking themselves out of the gene pool.
    This is nothing new people, some south American tribes uses drums to do exactly that same thing that i-Doser does, to reach an altered state of consciousness.

    I have tried “Gates Of Hades” and “Hand Of God” that two strongest “doses” they have and nothing significant happened, my friends have tried it to and report much the same thing as I did.

    This is so over blow it’s not even funny.

  45. No thanks! I’ll stick to a trance and a little of the Beatles to even me out. The musical equivalent to Chamomile Tea, I guess.

  46. Oh, now the administration has a reason to actually ban headphones! Thanks a lot!

    Yes, I’m being sarcastic and not sarcastic at the same time. I don’t know how I just did that.

  47. I remember doing this once as a kind of ‘experiment’ but I did it with the ‘relaxation’ one. It’s an odd experience: you sit there listening to a bunch of sounds. I think people just go a little crazy listening to the sounds ;) I knew after 2 minutes I wanted to sleep, purely because I was so bored and the droning sound was so repetitive.
    If this is the new wave of the future, I bet 5 dollars that within 2 years of it being released someone will say that it causes cancer, tumors, or at least some severe psychological damage…

  48. But if you’re a 15-year-old who gives this a try and it turns out to be sort of fun, what’s to stop you from trying marijuana? Nitrous? Cocaine? Heroin?

    As a kid, I used to experiment with violent video games and listen to violent music.
    Quake III Arena was my favorite (gosh, I’m old!) as was Marylin Manson.

    Alas, some people around me were concerned; what’s to stop me from taking a gun to school and blowing away everyone.

    It’s the same cliché argument in a different guise. [Insert questionable influence] will escalate to [terrible consequence]. Sorry, it’s never that clear cut.

    The difference is parenting and personal responsibility. What kept me and countless other children from taking mere entertainment for more that what it is, is that I already knew right from wrong and where I should draw the line. I’ve never done drugs, because I knew that would be going too far. I never considered violence for the same reason.

    A parent should know what they’re children are doing or they’ve failed their job. If you’re a parent, you should know your child(ren) like the back of your hand. You should know what’s allowable, what isn’t and when your child is being negatively influenced. Unless you’re totally oblivious, it should be painfully clear if something is negatively influencing your offspring.

    Worried about your children taking drugs?
    Be sure to count your own pills and take a peek at the medicine cabinet every now and then. If something is amiss, don’t chuck it off to your own failing memory.

    The world will continue to spin and vibe to its own magnificent tune. It’s up to us to decide whether we drown out the background noise, or breath it in.

    • I know laceandvelvet; I’m scared to click the “play” arrow on the videos too! It just seems so scary, or produces and gives one a scary vibe. ~~Stay unstressed & ~~God bless!~~

  49. Baloney. There is no evidence that this produces a true high. However, music is capable of causing its own sublime experiences, from bliss and rapture to madness, so, what the hell. Maybe this will induce a few more to sit down and actually play an instrument.

  50. I have IDoser songs on my computer, and I have to say, rarely when I listen do I feel anything other than relaxation. I listen sometimes before I go to bed, and I usually just fall asleep in the middle of the playlist. It’s nothing like trying a hallucinogen. The placebo effect is probably really strong on most teenagers desperately wanting to get stoned though.

    This is a fantastic post!

  51. 1st off; I did feel a certain high after listening to good music with dance beats, if heard loud.
    I thought that was weird. Nopes, I didn’t behave drugged. On the contrary felt nice.. About this, I would try that in the morning- that face on that video is awful. I don’t watch ghost movies too..
    BTW, did you get to know of those sites that practically told you how to commit suicide a few years back, wherein teen- age suicidal incidences had shot up?
    God bless ecstasy researchers. I guess, they should be treated for mental deformities..
    Then again..

    • Alright, I tried that:
      At 1st, it was 1 obnoxious sound, then it changed to the highest note on the octave and then at least for 1 minute, it buzzed.
      Absolutely nothing happened. Not even as much as a drop of water..
      I believe that its more of the rumor that is creating the flutter instead of anything else. At the most, it was so obnoxious, that letting go of the headphones was relaxing……
      It’s 5.15pm here in India- and I’m just fine..
      :)

  52. My friends recently found these, and uses them mainly for relaxing. He stays away from those who are supposed to imitate chemical drugs though. I’ve tried them and didn’t feel anything, but maybe because I was playing on my computer while listening.

    What I want to know is if these Audiodrugs aren’t as dangerous as real drugs. They still scare me.

    I’m a 16-years-old prude, hello!

  53. I tried it. In some cases it had a calming effect on me, but nothing unlike I’ve experienced listening to other soothing/ambient sounds. Some of them just gave me a mild headache. I’ve had more euphoric ‘transcendent’ experiences listening to regular good music that I like and makes me happy. I do believe that sound and all it’s components have the ability to alter your state of mind/mood.

  54. 1. Drugs aren’t necessarily a bad thing. I can honestly say that I would be a very different human being if I haven’t been using a lot of marijuana during high school to help me manage stress from family abuse. It helped me a lot, I wouldn’t pass the final exams so well without it and probably wouldn’t find a place in my university Keep in mind that marijuana isn’t a drug that alters the learning process like, for example, amphetamine. It just gave me peace of mind when I needed it to study effectively.

    2. This whole thing with I-doser i complete bullshit. People in those videos are totally faking it. Binaural sound waves have never been scientifically proven to work like drugs, and the only possibility for them to do so is through the placebo effect. I’ve tried it, having experienced a lot of alcohol, THC, caffeine and nicotine in my life, and it clearly does nothing, even if additionaly fueled by marijuana. It’s kind of sad that people make a big deal out of such a hoax.

  55. Is this serious? Is the D.A.R.E. Care Bear mascot to return again from the woodwork and force upon us its mass propaganda? Serious or not, seems like overblown hysteria to me. News Flash Fun Facts: Kids have been doing drugs for ages; people have been getting high for millennia. It’s ingrained in our genes. People, frightened by that which they do not understand, shun the presence of altered states of consciousness, even those produced naturally. Making sensory deprivation that occurs naturally into some boogie-man taboo is just another way for society to maintain that consensus reality is the best kind of reality, to me a close-minded, elitist view.

    And if kids like it and decide to smoke a little pot afterward, so what anyway?

  56. I will admit to having tried a bineural beat in the past as an experiement. A friend wanted to test the placebo effect of them and being curios I volunteered to listen to a track without being told the effect it should have as long as he promised it wasn’t going to be too extreme. After about half an hour of listening I was thrown into a fit of laughter that lasted nearly an hour and bordered on painful towards the end. The title of the track? Nitrous.

    Here’s the thing; I have never taken drugs or alcohol in my entire life, yet have always been curious about how they feel. After listening to many bineural beats and exploring their effects, I’m not longer curious. They actually succeeded in taking away any temptation I had to try the real thing. So to me they weren’t really a gateway so much as they were a lock for the gate.

  57. The linked track cacophonous, and I didn’t hear any binaural beat. Have you guys ever heard a real binaural beat? You should be able to take one of the earpieces off and the beat is totally lost. You only hear the beat when you hear both (bin-) audio inputs (aural).

    The Monroe Institute sells meditation tapes with real binaural beats since the 1970s.

    Whatever this is, it is not news. It is not binaural beats. And it certainly won’t get you high.

    Good old cigarettes will get you more high than this rubbish.

  58. Hello,

    I am sorry again to write against the main in the thopic… But there are soooo many addictions in this world. I today have addiction to write against topics:-)

    But seriously saying. If drugs will go digital (I even can not imagine that) – that means a really, really seriuos (future) addiction for the humankind. It has already started in addictions to internet, gambling, gaming, pc game wars. I hope that it will be just fantasy.

    Kind regards,
    A. Aksenovs, Rotterdam

  59. Wow. Sometimes my own fellow peers amaze me. I mean why in the world would people try this. How can you possiblly be willing to listen to something in that way just to get a feeling of being high. I’ve never smoked or drink ( pretty proud) so I guess I wouldn’t understand the need to do this. Why can’t people just go out and enjoy themselves in non-harmful ways. But what are you gunna do? It’s a lot harder to tell a kid to stop listening to their music than it is to tell them to stop smoking. But that’s my opinion.

    Amazed
    Mina

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  61. I’ve tried iDosing plenty of times. I happened to have a “free” copy where I could use any of the doses as many times as I wanted. ;) It works like binaural beats or isochronic tones. They can produce feelings of relaxation, stimulation and even hypnotic focus.

    In reality, iDoser is a bunch of bullshit. For example, with drugs like heroin and opioids you’ll never get an experience that’s even close to the real thing. Why? Even if binaural beats can make one’s brainwaves the same as someone who just shot a bag of smack, there still is a missing component. The actual drug. Opioid drugs act by mimicking our brain’s endorphin system. Opioid molecules fit in the receptors that our own endorphins do. Our brain’s have their own opioids, but in much smaller amounts ie nothing that could ever produce a pronounced high. This is the same way that almost all drugs work, they act like neurotransmitters that are already in our brain in turn inhibiting/exciting other neurotransmitters (dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine etc.). No cluster of sounds is ever going to be able to reproduce what the real thing can. They can’t even reproduce something that’s mildly like real drugs. I think people that actually feel anything from these iDoses are probably experiencing placebo. Let’s not forget how powerful placebo is, it accounts for 30% of results in drug trials and studies.

    As far as the “gateway drug” theory, I thought we were passed that? There is no such thing as a “gateway drug,” kids that are going to try drugs are always going to try the easiest, most accessible drug they can find. There is always going to be a subset of kids that are going to use drugs, and within those kids there is always going to be a subset that has a predisposition to abuse those drugs. Marijuana use does not automatically mean that one day that same person who smoked weed will be shooting smack. People with a predisposition for drug addiction are the ones that will end up shooting the smack. You can’t blame the drugs for the addiction, just like you can’t blame a deck of cards for a person’s compulsive gambling habit.

    As a society I think we need to focus on harm reduction and education with drugs.

    Great article by the way, I first iDosed two-years ago, it’s about time it actually got some coverage.

  62. There are so many addictions in this world. And people still don’t understand? the Addiction is the main force that drives humankind to further evolution. If there were no addictions, then there is just only way for the humankind – stagnation.
    Just ask yourself – which addiction do you have? If you say “I don’t have any” – then it means you are probably not very intelligent to understand yourself.
    And who knows the most about ourselves? Just ourselves, and not our parents, children, colleagues and friends. Just we are ourselves.
    All those addictions like alco, medicines (people have created them themself in 1960s after antidepressants were discovered in some farma labo’s), tabacco, hash… From all of those I see just 2 ones that might be more or less nature – hash and alco. But they are still not addictions. They are needed for a human body, but just in small dozes. Any drug (alcohol etc) has an ability to influence on human’s body and brain – people need more, and more, and people, lazy by the nature, instead of asking real questions, already have created the answers – drug addiction. That is sad…
    The most old addiction of humankind I could name is addiction to the game, or gambling, or gokken, or war, or sport – call it whatever you like! But that’s also not addiction, that’s probably just the only way at this stage of people’s culture and evolution development to move all humankind further.
    Before people understand that 2=3, 3=2, and dual code has a loooot of mistakes in it’s theory, computer systems will continue crashing, planes – falling down, and people are still thinking about going to the Space??? Oh God!:-) Look around! What you know about civilization of insects? And those small black cockroaches (pfuu) – they lived far before homo sapiens came and they will live. In their time, their world and their civilization.
    They are here. And people are looking for Aliens. Thats funny! Its more for cinema… And big€€
    You will never meet them, not 1 million year ago, not 1 million year ahead. Never:-) First try to think, why people use just 3-5 per cent of the brains? If humankind will use at least 10-12, then it will be a good time to meet with aliens:-) which obviously live here, next to all, they have lived all the time. They will be living in the future, and it doesn’t matter which way into the future the humankind will choose:-)
    Kind regards,
    arti.

  63. Even though neurology is not my forte, I did take a few courses regarding neurology. That, coupled with my training in music, and my conversations with colleagues from two of the most prominent schools of medicine in the caribbean (both rank fairly high when compared to U.S. schools of medicine), not to mention my own “subjective” 9according to academic standards) experimentation with Gates of Hell, I think I might have a thing or two to offer to this discussion.

    The human brain works by finding patterns. That’s why when you look at straightforward patterns you find them “beautiful” or “nice” and when you find something that breaks the pattern it seems “out of place” or “off”. This is why most of us look for a life where we can safely predict what will happen: go to work, come home, watch TV / play games, spend time with the kids, hang out with your friends, or party. Whatever it is we do, we do it consistently, in a pattern. When you have lived in a place for 5 years you feel comfortable. When you are newly moved into a place you feel uneasy, unless you are constantly on the move, in which case you feel uneasy when you settle down. Human brains naturally look for patterns.

    The same is true of visual environments, states of being, or music. We like arranged music, we dislike disorganized noise.

    This “drug” which is to be taken lying down (in a state of rest) is one that first and foremost prepares the brain, and by extension the body, to enter a restful state – one where random noise and changes in patterns are specially unwelcome. The noise starts and even though it is disagreeable, eventually the brain “tunes into it” and gets used to it. This is when the white noise kicks in and the noise rhythm (if we can call it that) changes. This causes neurons to react violently, causing a stressful jolt. The effect is similar to that of a fire alarm going off while you are going into sleep or a thief breaking into your home through a window while you are restfully sitting on your lazyboy watching the evening news. The eye reactions and twitching are natural reactions of the body when the brain sends “warning” signals to your extremities through your spinal chord to “try to shrugg it off, but if not see what it is and deal with it so we can go back to rest”. Forcing rest with such noise will cause an enhanced state of stress.

    This iDowsing practice is NOT addictive, and the effects are NOT the same as real drugs. Those who say this is “just like a drug” are people who have either never tried drugs or are overly concervative.

    In my opinion, such a disgusting experience is nothing more than a trend that teens are doing to be “in” – similar to dressing emo 5 years ago, jumping off roofs 10 years ago, or fighting 15 years ago. Honestly, this is one of the less worrysome trends.

    There is, however, a slight issue to worry about, and that is that, PERHAPS (and this is just speculation) a minor percentage of the population might find this experience enjoyable (much like I did self-induced vertigo in spinning chairs for about 3 weeks about 8 years ago) and get “hooked” to some level on it. That in itself should pose no worry – however, the possibility of this causing an eternally stressed-out generation of people (once again, speculation) is.

    If anything, alcohol should be more of a concern. THAT does have chemicals reacting in your body causing provable physical addiction and severe side-effects like loss of consciousness.

    But, as I stated, I’m not really a doctor of medicine, so don’t take my comments too seriously ^__^

  64. I have tried iDoser and it is the biggest waste of time I have ever experienced. It’s just a load of random noises ranging in bass and other effects.

    Really, it’s crap, a moneyspinner and now something for gullible media to put on the TV.

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  66. By boozing I take it you mean as in drinking alcohol which is indeed a drug…So if you are into a night of boozing as you put it then you indeed into abusing drugs…

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  68. I have not bothered to read the comments here, but this came out a few years ago. I have tried several of these ‘I-doses’ as did some colleagues of mine. We all found that the sound files at most made you feel groggy or slightly disoriented. Nothing like what they claim. In reality, these seem to work more in a placebo-like way. You make yourself think you are going to get ‘high’ off of the dose, and so you tell yourself you will. In reality they do very little good. Furthermore, many of the ‘i-doses’ use sounds outside of the standard range of human hearing, and are often far lower and higher frequencies than most headphones put out. Just my two cents on this.

  69. I am a big fan of self-hypnosis videos, particularly “sleep hypnosis” videos by Jnspire and Eddini on YouTube.

    Recently, Eddini released a sleep video using binaural beats, which the article on Wired says is what these “i-dosing” tracks use.

    If that’s the case, then I agree with Chriscaff’s comment – I think this is just self-hypnosis.

    Meaning — A. it really can make you feel “out of it,” given you go into it with the right mentality
    B. Most people are going into this WANTING to get something out of it. My opinion? A lot of fakers.

    If you’ve never tried a sleep hypnosis video, I highly suggest Eddini’s second sleeping video [titled “laying down” or something like that]

    Listen to it right as you are going sleep — it does the trick! Better than sleeping pills.

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  71. Simply put….idosing….hogwash! If you want to believe it will work …bad enough….it will. No real health risk is here. WHAT WORRIES ME ABOUT THIS ….is the responses to this blog! What I hear is a bunch of scaredy-cats! So many people crying about how they “dont do illegal drugs” or “dont even drink” ….It gives me a gut feeling that out society is so easily lead by the nose and told what to be scared of! All the “this is disturbing and a gateway drug” crowd is foolish and sad. Sad that you will let life pass right by you and never take a risk. What a waste.

    “Some people never go crazy, what truly horrible lives they must live”.
    -Charles Bukowski

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  73. I believe this is a placebo effect. I listened until “shit got freaky” and a bit beyond. I am a hypnotherapist, and kinesthetic visualist. When the placebos were first introduced in the 1950’s 30-40% reported having an effect. In the 90’s 60% responded to placebo. I live in Los Feliz, have a private practice in Atwater Village, and between Los Feliz, Echo Park, Silver Lake, and Atwater Village kids have been eating Angel’s trumpet ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brugmansia) because it suppose to be equal to the effects of licking a toad (early 90’s when I was in school) or LSD (60’s and beyond), but the only effect it has had so far is that of making kid’s really sick. Idosing at its worst will just irritate the hell out of you. Listening to this reminded me of when I was 12 or so, and my lil sis was 9, we were allowed to get virgin strawberry margaritas. I asked my parents if I could tell my sister there was alcohol in it, they said yes. Within 5 minutes she was acting what she as a 9 year old thought intoxication would look like. We then told the truth. Same thing for this image/sound, it is nothing more than suggestion. On average 25% of people are suggestible, if you put being a teenager in there with the shrinking of brain cells, the desire to be accepted, and hormones it is probably is a bit higher. Kid’s will lick toads, eat flowers, listen to things on Garage Band (idosing). But, in the end… it isn’t real. It’s just the desire to get to the next level.

  74. ya it is fully correct that teenage students are addicted with digital drugs like music,games etc. the addicted students are losing their memory concentration in their studies and falling in thoughts like love.. using digital resources should be reduced as much as possible.. the waves may cause brain damage also

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  76. Anyway, I dozzing is definetely a Gateway to real world of drugs. I used to be addicted and Anything that gives you a tryout without getting into any trouble in this world, is definetely a gateway. Guys common, a 15 years old kid, trying this I dozzer (coke flavour), tell his friends about it, nobody knows whats like trying the real coke. If they like the sound so much, what are they going to do?
    WOW, lets buy it just once to see if its the same. Hey, lets try I dozzing with real coke to see whats like!!! You people either are trying to be dumb as hell or you really whant to try it sometime.
    Go ahead an kill yourselves! Good luck!!

    • This is not what I would call a “cogent” response but just another example of how you can be lead by the nose. The scientific evidence is not on the side of your argument. This is a placebo at best. People will believe anything without you tell them. If you say idosing is a gateway drug …then “movies” that feature scenes with people doing drugs should also be considered a “gateway drug” (aka drinking and smoking) or books that feature characters taking drugs!Before long we have …”I became a dark wizard after reading a Harry Potter novel…oh woo is me! Then I got hooked on pumpkin juice and became a magical hooker for orcs! Did I mention it also made me into a satanist?” People are scared of everything these days!

      • ”The scientific evidence is not on the side of your argument. This is a placebo at best. ”
        So you are saying that “movies that feature scenes with people doing drugs”,”books that feature characters taking drugs”, and “I became a dark wizard after reading a Harry Potter novel” are your scientific evidences ?…Go do some college my friend..

      • Facts are …there is no evidence that binaural music significantly alters brain patterns enough to induce any type of opioid or psychedelic state …or so says studies conducted at Oregon Health and Science University. If you think this is a gateway drug …then everything is a gateway drug…even things that are not drugs at all…like idosing!
        The concept that idosing will lead to life long drug addiction reminds me of the argument saying videos games make kids more violent and they will go shoot up their school. It is a tired old argument and a scapegoat for a society that wont take responsibility for itself and blame the real issues rather then frivolous hot button issues. Kids are violent not because of video games but because thats how the world (sadly) teaches them with many of its problems. Without idosing …people will always try new drugs to change their consciousness when the only socially expectable forms of meaningful consciousness expansion are little more then ancient dogmas that no longer truly relate to the lives of real people in todays world of spiritual-less consumerism and shameless marketing. Opiate of the masses!
        So…if kids want to sit around looking at a screen with headphones on that will do them no harm …and can not realistically inebriate them. Go for it! People have known about cocaine for a very, very long time now so …if you were going to do coke then you would have found out about it one way or another! Like through books or movies or music….ya know, other “gateway drugs.”

        Maybe next time you can give us a little less of your vitriolic tirade by not saying things like “Go ahead an(d) kill yourselves!”

        However…I am glad you consider me your friend. Thats nice.

  77. I think that anyone who thinks that kids are getting high off of this (including the kids themselves) has never actually been high on anything.

    These are highly suggestible and fairly stupid teenagers looking for something edgy and dangerous to boast about having done. Sure, they may be in a state of altered consciousness–music can do that, especially in concert with deep relaxation and high suggestibility–but they only think they’re high because they’ve never actually been high.

    My roommate astutely said that there’s probably an “emperor’s new clothes” element about the whole thing as well. One stupid kid trying to look cool says to his friends, you have to try this, you’ll get high! And the others, not wanting to look uncool, won’t say “oh, it didn’t work for me,” or “that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard,” but will either claim that it worked for them too, or even convince themselves that it did.

  78. I wish that I had not read this. It amazes me at what lengths people will go to in order to get high.

    There is something seriously missing in a person’s life if they feel that being high all the time is the answer.

    My heart aches for them.

    Congrats on getting Fresh Pressed.

    • i agree.

      except for the part where you assume that people using this feel “that being high all the time is the answer.” because getting high once in a while and being high all the time are two entirely different ways of living.

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  80. Wow, this is definitely news to me.
    This is one of those things where you ‘make up’ and talk about with your friends jokingly and laugh at how ridiculous it is.
    But it’s real?
    Strange.

  81. I youtube up “delta wave music” and then listen to it to help me fall asleep. It’s mildly effective.

  82. I guess I don’t see what the difference would be between this and listening to relaxing music to meditate. Am I missing something? The context can change when you call it “getting high.” You could also feel happy or high when meditating, but we don’t look at that as dangerous. It’s being called an edgy name, so the kids think it’s edgy and decide to try it. But if you called it focusing or meditating they probably wouldn’t be doing it. For me, it’s hard to imagine that this could be a gateway drug. There’s just a lot more work that goes into trying to focus and get into a certain state of mind, than say lighting up a joint and smoking it. And most people who want to get high would likely want a high that can quickly be attained.

  83. I know about brain entrainment, and binaural beats. I know what it is to be addicted to crack cocaine. There’s no such thing as a gateway drug. Kids aren’t going to blow the minds with binaural beats. Binaural beats aren’t going to cause your heart to explode as is the case with crack. Congrats on being Freshly Pressed. I had that honour over Memorial Day weekend with my article The Internet Experience and Blogging Behind The Great Firewall.

    Continued Success !

  84. I forgot to add …I overcame my addiction to crack ….being addicted to crack is not like being addicted to any other drug. Crack is an entity. It is an insidious destroyer of lives, and everything connected to that life. iDosing? Forget about it! Try smoking crack for 36 hours, and then talk to me about addiction.

  85. ….This is what passes for news? Seriously?
    Teens always have really stupid and ill-planned ways of trying to get high.

  86. When Drugs Go Digital (via The Miller Times) « Lights, Wings, Flight

  87. To be honest, I tried that one year ago. Well, I wasn’t stone, i tried all the “hard doses”, and I could not say that I was on drugs. But one thing is for sure : it’s relaxing

  88. I’ve experimented with something similar to this, it’s called “music.” Seemingly, underground society is teeming with “musicians,” people who arrange sounds and words into cohesive arrangements to create a mood for the listener.

    I listened to a band called Pink Floyd and found it so relaxing that I immediately became hooked on heroin.

    Ban music!

    • You know, I think you might be giving me too much credit by assuming I knew this would make Freshly Pressed. I wanted to pass along a little news item I saw on HuffPost to my readers. Unfortunately, I don’t have time to interview teenagers, experts and physicians. I’ve got a day job.

      Speaking of low ball attempt(s) to get readers, thank you for pimping your blog in my comment section.

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  90. Yeah, I heard about this and I even listened to a few tracks but they had no effect on me, so I don’t really know what to say I guess it’s possible, it just didn’t work for me.

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